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Another point about "between the evenings"

by WontLeave in

according to the footnote on page 28 of bearing thorough witness about gods kingdom:.

prayers were offered at the temple in conjunction with the morning and evening sacrifices.

the evening sacrifice was held at the ninth hour, or about three in the afternoon.. this sacrifice is the one ordered in exodus 29:38-42:.

The Searcher

@ BOBCAT

Just a quick p.s.

Consider Jesus' words to Nicodemus, at John 3:3-5.

"Unless anyone is born AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

"Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Jesus was addressing someone who understood that he had been 'born' into God's nation - but that nation was soon to be replaced by the 'Israel of God', where all and sundry would be welcome.

However, Jesus stressed the aspects of 'water and spirit', indicating that JEWS would have to be 'born again' - into the Christ - recognising that the Mosaic Law now no longer had any hold over them - they were under 'the Law of the Christ' and were covered by his once-for-all-time sacrifice.

Gentiles on the other hand, had no need to be 'born again'.

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Another point about "between the evenings"

by WontLeave in

according to the footnote on page 28 of bearing thorough witness about gods kingdom:.

prayers were offered at the temple in conjunction with the morning and evening sacrifices.

the evening sacrifice was held at the ninth hour, or about three in the afternoon.. this sacrifice is the one ordered in exodus 29:38-42:.

The Searcher

@ BobCat

I totally agree with your thinking that all Christians are anointed with Holy Spirit - at their baptism.

The results of my 'digging' are somewhat lengthy, but necessary to present the Scriptural proofs, rather than my own reasoning. Then others can base their judgements on what the Bible teaches.

Anointed & Anointing

The term 'anointed' occurs only 6 times in the Greek Scriptures. In all but one of the verses, they refer to Jesus. In the remaining verse, it applies to Christ's disciples. (2 Corinthians 1:21)

The term 'anointing' occurs only 3 times in the Greek Scriptures. (1 John2:20,27) All three verses refer to the disciples of Christ.

".................we belong to Christ and he who has anointed us is God."

"And YOU have an anointing from the holy one; all of YOU have knowledge";

"And as for YOU, the anointing that YOU received from him remains in YOU, and YOU do not need anyone to be teaching YOU; but, as the anointing from him is teaching YOU about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught YOU, remain in union with him."

The Baptism:
(Acts 2:38) Peter [said] to them: "Repent, and let each one of YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of YOUR sins, and YOU will receive the free gift of the holy spirit. (When would people receive holy spirit? )
(Acts 5:32) And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler." (Who received holy spirit?)
(Acts 10:45-46) And the faithful ones that had come with Peter who were of those circumcised were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations. For they heard them speaking with tongues and magnifying God. (Was the holy spirit restricted to certain people?)
(Acts 11:16-17) At this I called to mind the saying of the Lord, how he used to say, ‘John, for his part, baptized with water, but YOU will be baptized in holy spirit.’ If, therefore, God gave the same free gift to them as he also did to us who have believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I should be able to hinder God?" & (John 1:33) Even I did not know him, but the very One who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining, this is the one that baptizes in holy spirit.’ (Paul said that there was "one Lord, one faith, one baptism")
(Acts 15:7-8) Now when much disputing had taken place, Peter rose and said to them: "YOU well know that from early days God made the choice among YOU that through my mouth people of the nations should hear the word of the good news and believe; and God, who knows the heart, bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also. (To whom did Jehovah give holy spirit, and why?)
(Acts 19:2) and he said to them: "Did you receive holy spirit when YOU became believers?" (What did Paul expect to happen to anyone who became a believer in Christ's ransom ?)
(Ephesians 1:13-14) But YOU also hoped in him after YOU heard the word of truth, the good news about YOUR salvation. By means of him also, after YOU believed, YOU were sealed with the promised holy spirit, which is a token in advance of our inheritance, for the purpose of releasing by a ransom [God’s] own possession, to his glorious praise.
(Ephesians 4:30) Also, do not be grieving God’s holy spirit, with which YOU have been sealedfor a day of releasing by ransom. (What sequence of events led to someone receiving holy spirit?)
(Titus 3:5,6) but according to his mercy he saved us through the bath that brought us to life and through the making of us new by holy spirit. This [spirit] he poured out richly upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior, (Was Paul addressing his words to only those with the heavenly hope?)
(Galatians 5:22-25) The fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus, impaled the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us go on walking orderly also by spirit. (To display the fruitage of the spirit, wouldn't someone need to have the spirit?)
Spirit & Water Essential:
(Matthew 3:11) I, for my part, baptize YOU with water because of YOUR repentance; but the one coming after me is stronger than I am, whose sandals I am not fit to take off. That one will baptize YOU people with holy spirit and with fire. (John 1:33) Even I did not know him, but the very One who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining, this is the one that baptizes in holy spirit.’
(John 3:5) "Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
(Acts 1:5) because John, indeed, baptized with water, but YOU will be baptized in holy spirit not many days after this."
(Acts 10:45) And the faithful ones that had come with Peter who were of those circumcised were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations.
(Acts 11:16) At this I called to mind the saying of the Lord, how he used to say, ‘John, for his part, baptized with water, but YOU will be baptized in holy spirit.’
(Acts 19:6) And when Paul laid his hands upon them, the holy spirit came upon them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
(1 Cor. 6:11) YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.
(1 Corinthians 12:13) For truly by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink one spirit.
(Matthew 28:19) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,
(Acts 8:36) Now as they were going over the road, they came to a certain body of water, and the eunuch said: "Look! A body of water; what prevents me from getting baptized?"
(Acts 10:47) "Can anyone forbid water so that these might not be baptized who have received the holy spirit even as we have?"
(Acts 19:5) On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
(Ephesians 4:5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

(2 Corinthians 1:21) (1 John 2:20,27)

Spirit & Water Baptism

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Computer trouble

by d in

i have this searchresults.com as home page which later found out is fake.

how do i get rid of it?.

The Searcher

Do a System Restore - to a day or two before you installed it!!!

Usually works for me!

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Other Sheep will not survive without FDS

by irondork in

the statement was made: the other sheep will not survive the coming battle of armageddon unless they draw close to the faithful and discreet slave.. .

that's how it sticks in my mind but no matter how i tweak various key words into the search engine, i cannot find the quote i am looking for.

does anyone have a thread saved in their files on this?.

The Searcher

w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium

"Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil. "

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Other Sheep will not survive without FDS

by irondork in

the statement was made: the other sheep will not survive the coming battle of armageddon unless they draw close to the faithful and discreet slave.. .

that's how it sticks in my mind but no matter how i tweak various key words into the search engine, i cannot find the quote i am looking for.

does anyone have a thread saved in their files on this?.

The Searcher

Or this;

w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium

I seem to remember that there was no one like Job in all the earth - blameless and upright; and yet he was no part of God's accepted nation.

Also, this account involving Christ himself gives the salutory lesson (and warning) that we have neither the right nor the capacity to determine who is acceptable to God & Christ. A very dangerous postion to assert!

(Mark 9:38-41) "John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us." But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me; for he that isnot against us is for us. For whoever gives YOU a cup of water to drinkon the ground that YOU belong to Christ, I truly tell YOU, he will by no means lose his reward."

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Other Sheep will not survive without FDS

by irondork in

the statement was made: the other sheep will not survive the coming battle of armageddon unless they draw close to the faithful and discreet slave.. .

that's how it sticks in my mind but no matter how i tweak various key words into the search engine, i cannot find the quote i am looking for.

does anyone have a thread saved in their files on this?.

The Searcher

Here is one of my very many 'Favorites' from the Watchtower Library. I think this may be what you were thinking of.

"Keep testing the inspired expressions" (1 John 4:1) and "obey God as ruler, rather than men." (KM Sept. 2007 Question Box)

w838/15p.23par.14UnitedFruitBearers "Just as the anointed “branches” of the “true vine” must remain in union with Christ, the “other sheep” must remain in close union with “the faithful and discreet slave,” Christ’s anointed “brothers.” Only thus can they hope to ‘inherit the Kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.’" — Matthew 25:31-40 .

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Devil's Advocate , A QUESTION FOR RECOVERY AND OTHERS.

by DATA-DOG in

i noticed recovery's post is on lock-down.

i have never seen that happen.

i want to play devils advocate and recovery can answer honestly.

The Searcher

Just one teensy-weensy little question that I'd like answered, to satisfy my curiosity - prefererably from someone who knows;

Apart from child sex-abuse, are our shepherds in the congregation directed to contact their Branch Office about anyother criminal act before they contact the police? Or is just pedophilia they need expert advice on?

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They STILL might be DFing me soon for apostasy...

by RayPublisher in

big news - i met with the elders last night.

they were not arrogant and they were not mean spirited, but of course we all know they also would not budge from the jw brainwashed beliefs they are sworn to uphold.

i let my light shine, and within two minutes of sitting down with them was no longer nervous.. .

The Searcher

@ RAYPUBLISHER

My point is that you would be applying Bible principles, by lovingly revealing to them that they are opposing God's word by accepting men's 'traditions' and false teachings as truth! (Galatians 6:1)

If they cannot/will not accept what they read in black & white from their own Bible, which they are prepared to use to inflict judgement on you, then they bring a far greater judgement on themselves than on you.

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They STILL might be DFing me soon for apostasy...

by RayPublisher in

big news - i met with the elders last night.

they were not arrogant and they were not mean spirited, but of course we all know they also would not budge from the jw brainwashed beliefs they are sworn to uphold.

i let my light shine, and within two minutes of sitting down with them was no longer nervous.. .

The Searcher

@ RAYPUBLISHER

Sorry to come in so late, but here are my two cents worth:

I am not in your position YET,but in anticipation that certain ones decide that I should be subjected to "counselling", I have prepared 3 simple questions which I would respectfully request all the Elders to answer, before I

A refusal by any or all of them to do so, would elicit the same response from me - I would refuse to answer them!

Here are the questions, and I would love to hear if you decided to use any or all of them to discern "thoughts & intentions of the heart" at your next cross-examination!

Their answers will identify them as "company men" or Christians. All the best!

Do you believe in the "New Scrolls"? ( Revelation 20:12)

Who resolved the circumcision issue? ( Galatians 2:1 - 8)

Did Judas partake of the emblems? ( Luke 22:14 - 23)

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Any other established religions take neutrality stand in 1914?

by irondork in

the bible students' non-participation in ww i is one of the key reasons why jesus selected the wts as the organization through whom god would save the world, according to myth.

were there other religious groups or organized groups of any kind reported on from that era that refused military service?.

The Searcher

Snow White did know two other dwarves - Elf and Safety!! :)